affirmative action was giving higher scores to latino kids and african americans and that they were showing up in school way behind their peers as a result because as you mentioned maybe the education system failed them. then doing very poorly, higher drop out rates, all that sort of thing. what do you think about the position that have article? >> i read the article i thought it was garbage, i think there were a lot of assumptions made that just don't match reality. i mean, i attended university and i think affirmative action enabled me to fully integrate in to the full promise of the education that i got. the article made an assumption that somehow this so-called mismatch actually made it really difficult for african american students to come in to a school and integrate with the majority population of just never seen that. i don't think that we can base our policy on assumption that we make that really don't have any identifiable data behind them. >> we've looked at -- there was one report that came out talking about the racial neutral alternatives which is -- saying when you looked at all

and latinos are not part of the working class america that's needed to be vibrant to bring this economy around. >> we've never said that because we don't involve -- we don't get involved in the bulkization of social economic groups. that's what democrats do. >> oh, my god. >> true. we don't sit there and do that. the interesting thing the gap between -- well, the 47%, blacks hispanics or women, he didn't say that. people that are living off of the government role, not out there getting the job. was that a good thing to say? no. but we are not talking about that. the whole idea of race baiting has gotten worse under president obama and the separation between the white working class voted for obama last time, they are not voting for him this time. why is that? or is it true, first of all? >> i don't know that it's true. >> we have to wait until the election and see what happens, number one. number two, i think it's interesting that historically race baiting and the plan of dividing the south and taking the mouth to the republicans party was richard nixon who was a republican. republicans never d

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